🎙️ 79. Astrology at Work with Meredith McCowen

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Fun fact: The Corporate Psychic, also lovingly known and referred to as TCP, which is my original business, exists because of an astrology reading that I had a few years ago just before I started the business.

We could also then say that this podcast itself, The Spiritual 9–5, in great part because of this same astrology reading exists as well.

Meredith McCowan was the astrologer that gave me this reading and ultimately changed the trajectory of my life, and therefore the many lives of people that I’ve had the pleasure of working with ever since, as well as maybe you, dear listener.

And it is with great honor that I introduce you all to Meredith today! Meredith spent well over a decade cultivating a career in patent law and eventually became an astrologer, and left the corporate world behind completely.

The reason I love her for this series, “Woo Woo at Work,” is because she has had such a rich corporate background, and she gets it. She understands what it means to be in both worlds.

You’ve heard me mention before that I’ve brought astrology into my previous workplace and Meredith actually was the astrologer who joined us and facilitated! In this episode, Meredith shares her journey of spiritual awakening, entrepreneurship, corporate experiences, integrity, escapism, tapping into your intuition at work, and some basics for you to explore in your own astrology.

I hope you enjoy this episode as much as I enjoy and adore connecting with Meredith. And if you’re interested in bringing astrology to your workplace, visit us at thecorppsychic.com/woowooatwork and fill out the form.

Okay, let’s get to it!

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I believe that working can be one of the most spiritual paths that we walk. Whether that work is turning your passion into a business, or sitting behind a desk for 8 hours a day, or anywhere beyond and in between. And yet we often take the way in which we show up to work for granted, even though it's where we spend the majority of our time.

Here on The Spiritual 9–5 podcast, we talk about that. We talk about entrepreneurship. We talk about the 9-to-5. We talk about what it's like to be multi-passionate and talented and inspired and also utterly demotivated. We are here to support you in your work, whether your work is sacred to you or just something that you do to get by.

We are here to help you see and know yourself a little bit deeper, and to inspire you to show up no matter what it is that you find. I'm your host, Marie Groover. And like you, I am as multi-passionate as they come. I'm the founder of two businesses that are here to bring the soul back into the office. I, too, work a 9-to-5 in corporate tech. I'm a surfer, a writer, a philosopher-artist, if you will, and I'm so excited to bring you this episode today.

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Marie Groover: Hi, Meredith.

Meredith McCowan: Hello, Marie.

MG: Hello! Thank you for joining us. I wanna start with the question I think that we all start with, which is really just what's your story and what's your overall journey to astrology and to the work that you do now? And I would love to hear you start from your corporate story or even before that. So what was the seed that brought you into the corporate space? What was the seed that brought you out of it? What was your experience? Yeah. Tell us everything.

MM: Sure. I think I'll start with my undergraduate education. So after high school, I didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up. I didn't know what to do, but everybody was going to college, so that's what I did too. And I chose to major in science because I love science. I was good at it. That was, you know, my favorite subject. I always advanced in science classes.

And halfway through undergrad, I got checked out of science a little bit just because I thought it was more of, like, my hobby, not a career path, and I switched to psychology. So I did end up with a undergraduate degree in psychology, graduating, still not knowing what the heck I wanted to be when I grew up.

So, I ended up getting a job after I graduated undergrad at an intellectual property law firm. So this is patents and trademarks, and 99.9% of my corporate career was in patent law. So that was kind of science-y. It fit that kind of mold for me, and I ended up in this career for 17 years. And left it in 2019, and I started my astrology practice in 2017. So there was a little bit of an overlap before I left the corporate world.

Okay? So now I think it's very interesting the work that I do now, astrology, majoring back in the day for science and psychology. Because both of those things are very prominent in the work that I do now. I don't know if there's one spark or one thing that, kind of prompted me leaving the corporate world, but I was all in for 10 years. I mean, hustling, moving up the food chain, getting different promotions, working for different companies.

And after about 10 years of that, I started logging into my retirement account every single day and wondering, “Okay. How many more years do I have to do this?” You know, I was early thirties at the time, and I was like, I, I could do this until I'm 65. Okay. And now in hindsight, I was like, oh, I was, I was checking out. I was just still doing what everybody else was doing, like go to college, get a job, a 401K. That was kinda like the program that most of us maybe listening kind of, like, grew up with. Okay? So I started checking out about 10 years into the job.

I ended up through a friend getting, I left the oldest and biggest law firm, IP law firm in the country to work for a start up law firm, tiny, just a couple attorneys and just me and another paralegal. And I started working from home in January 2012. So before everybody else in the universe started working from home, my last corporate job was 7 years working from home, and that freed up a lot of time for me.

So when I made that transition from, you know, busing it into downtown Minneapolis every day to working from home, I had about 15 hours a week that were extra. Because I was commuting for 2 and being stuck for a lunch hour for 1. So that's 3 hours at day times 5. I had some free time. Okay? So I started exploring different hobbies. I was in a relationship at the time, and I ended up getting engaged to a long term partner on December 21, 2012.

So, if there was something and I don't know if you remember back then. That was, like, the end of the Mayan long count and all that woo woo stuff. Were you into that in December 2012?

MG: Mhmm.

MM: Were you? Yeah. Okay. So I ended up getting engaged on that day, and within 2 months, called off the engagement. And that is what made me go bonkers. So it wasn't anything, like, necessarily in the corporate world, but now I know I called off that relationship because of my intuition, which I didn't really maybe know what that was. I mean, I knew gut feelings and that kind of stuff. But what was really intuition, I ended up calling off a partnership that was great and healthy, great guy, but something just felt off.

And that kind of started me on this journey looking for answers for why I did that. So I took a Reiki class, Tai Chi. I went to different healers. I got a past life hypnosis. And then it was at a Reiki class where somebody mentioned astrology. And I was like, well, that's just horoscopes in the newspaper. I didn't really know it was anything deeper than that. And so I always call Reiki now, like, a gateway drug. I was like, if you don't know what your thing is, take a Reiki class. Maybe you can confirm this too. Like, you're gonna meet your people. The right synchronicities will show up. It was kinda magic. So I decided to start studying astrology, added it to my list to kinda understand myself better and the decisions I was making, and I got obsessed immediately.

I mean, back in my younger years, I was a pro at astronomy. I was, like, astronomy club president in high school, very nerdy. And astrology is science. It's math. It's mythology. It's psychology. It's like a mix of all the things that I love. And I thought I can learn it in a weekend. So I'm like, oh, 12 signs. Like, no problem.

And then, of course, as you know, astrology is much more complex than that. I now consider it the oldest science on the planet. Most indigenous cultures have some link to the stars in the sky and what, you know, as above so below. What are they telling us? So that is kind of my story to astrology. Long story short, if you will, a mix of kind of professional and personal events led me to the chair I'm in now.

MG: Oh, I love this. So when you started deep diving to astrology, when did you start reading for other people? What called you into that?

MM: So the 1st couple years, I worked with 2 mentors. I worked best with a teacher, and I didn't read for anyone except myself for probably 3 years. I, I mean, the chart you start with is your own. Now I barely look at mine anymore. And then after 3 years of study, I asked 10 friends to find 10 of their friends that I didn't know or know well, and I read for free for 1 entire year. But at that point, I was half reading and half interviewing people about their chart as I was still learning. So I would say I did about a 100 free readings just to make sure I was all in to this, and this was something there before I launched my business.

MG: And how did those free readings go? Did you know pretty quickly that you wanted to launch your business, or how did that feel?

MM: Yeah. You know, I, I kinda, I still take everything with kind of a view through a scientific lens, so I wanna do the science of this craft after studying for so long to make sure it was kinda, quote, unquote, real. And every single free reading I did, I got, like, a spark of joy. I loved it. It just, like, lit me up. I was like, I would do this for free. My work is play, now. So it was that 1st year that just, like, really, I don't know, produced an energy in me that I didn't get from the corporate environment, that kind of thing.

And then I felt like, also, there was a hand gently pushing me on the back, guiding me to do this. Because when I think back, I'm like, oh my god. I got an office space. I thought this was gonna be a side gig at first. I didn't care what people thought about it. I was so passionate about it. Like, I didn't care. And now I'm just like, wow, there was just like some flow. I was plugged into some flow, and the entire time I was following my passion. When that comes up, I had to fight so much of the program, which maybe you can relate late to. Eventually, I did leave the corporate world, which was scary AF, but I'm living proof now that you can follow your passions and get paid for it.

MG: Oh my goodness. Okay. There's so much goodness here. I think something that I talk with a lot of my clients about is following the breadcrumbs of joy because I feel like in so much of our programming, we, we're taught and conditioned to almost not have fun, not be in pleasure, not have joy. It's almost like we have to earn it. So it's like we have to do the hard thing before we get to do the fun thing and the fun thing can never be the thing. And yet I think when we listen to what lights us up, that actually then is the pathway. Right? Like, following the joy is what leads us to so many things beyond that, and we can totally get paid for it.

And I love what you said about, you know, you said your work became play and that you would do this for free. I'm curious. I'm totally gonna sidetrack us now, but that's okay. But I'm curious, like, when you first started your business, because you had that feeling of I could do this for free, did you struggle at all with charging people? Like, how did your how did you yeah. Yeah.

MM: I did. I felt so wrong or guilty. I don't really know the emotion to kinda label it as, but, I felt maybe it was impostor syndrome. I'm not sure. But it took me probably a year or 2 to detangle that and not feel anything negative for receiving payment for what I was doing.

And, actually, my clients helped me with that. They would say things like, thank you for your gift, or they would tip me, things like that. And, yeah, learning to receive money for something that I myself was providing was a huge a switch needed to be turned, and that took a a couple years.

MG: You know, this is interesting the way that you said that, “learning to receive money for something that I myself provided.” This is fascinating because I feel like when we work in the corporate space, we become so used to receiving money for stuff that we're doing or for time that we're given, giving, but it's, it is a very different feeling than creating something yourself and giving that to the world and then asking money for it. And I hadn't really thought about this until you just said it in the way that you said it of, of how, you know, we can feel weird receiving money for something that we're giving. I don't know. I feel like there's something there. I, I think it's interesting.

MM: I wrote an article about this when I first started. I…the money switch. So instead of getting that, like, bland I mean, not bland, but, like, pretty big corporate paycheck back in the day, but it was just, like, the same thing every week at my bank account, and I wasn't really conscious of the energy exchange.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: So now I think of money as, like, currency. Right? It's current. It's just energy. And when I started receiving money for doing this craft, I became hyperconscious that the money I was receiving for working with the skill that I had was becoming food, my house. Like, I was responsible now for that. And for some reason, the corporate paycheck didn't do that for me.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: I was just more, I was very detached from the energy exchange.

MG: That makes so much sense. And I love this because when we are in the corporate world and we're just getting paid, it's interesting because we are, can be, I'm not saying we are, but we we absolutely can be by default so much less conscious about how we spend our money. Like, I love that you're thinking about, oh, the money that I'm making in my business now becomes food, now becomes my home, versus when we're in the corporate world and just a paycheck's hitting our bank account every couple of weeks. There is a level of unconsciousness that exists there and a level of blindly spending or, you know, I don't wanna say…

MM: I did it.

MG: Yeah. And then like that.

MM: Amazon all the time.

MG: Yeah!

MM: Yeah. And now none of that. That's all changed and shifted for the better, I think.

MG: Oh, this is so good. I'm gonna switch gears with us for just a second. I'm curious, like, when you were starting your business, you were still in the corporate space. You said you didn't care what anyone thought about astrology. I love this so much because I have so many clients that I think are moving into something that they love. And there's a lot of until I think total embodiment, there's a lot of resistance and a lot of fear around what other people are gonna think.

And then especially when you work in a field that is very science-y, math-y, legal, logic, all about logic, and you shift into something that is actually just as logical and science-y and math-y, but is perceived as something like, oh, the horoscope that you read from the newspaper or, like, that weird, like, woo woo or intuitive thing. Did you have anything to work through with that? What did that look like or feel like for you?

MM: I didn't, and this is a big thing with my clients too, like worrying about what other people think or what they're gonna label you. I have an immunity to that, and I have found it in my own birth chart. So, I even in high school, when, like, the mean girls are saying things about you, and I'm like, I didn't care. I was so detached.

And again, I can find this in my chart, and I can almost, you know, 90% of the time tell if people get in their heads about what people think. But, yes, I've, I have a natural immunity to that. I don't know if that answers your question. And I realize now how much of a blessing that is because I don't spend time, that much time, ruminating what people think about me.

Besides my closest confidants, I will more, like, care of what they think and, like, if I'm making sure they're happy in my, in my life. But I just don't have that. So maybe the attorneys or maybe my science teachers from high school think I went bonkers, but I'm like, you know what? I am so confident in this work. I love it. I have no malicious intent, so I'm not really concerned with what people think about my transition.

MG: Ah, I love this. Oh, man. There's so much that can be…this is such a gift that you have. I know you know that this is a gift, but this is such a gift that you have that almost could be captured and, and taught and shared. Because so many people struggle with this. And I think similar to you, I would say I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm somewhere in between. There are some things where I really am hyper concerned of about what people will think or what, what really, like, what my outward image may be or if the story is making sense.

But at the same time, I think when I'm convicted with something, it doesn't matter. It's like there's this deep knowing. I know that this is it. Let's go for it. Okay. So did any of your old coworkers book readings with you in the beginning, or do they still now? Do you still work with anyone?

MM: A few…a few old coworkers were really supportive and came to workshops and booked readings. I still have, like, a corporate crew. There's 8 of us that met in the corporate world, and we still get together for brunches and birthdays and all that kind of stuff. But, no, I don't talk much about my new life. [laughs]

MG: Oh, that's cool. [laughs] No. That's amazing. Okay. Yeah. So something that I say a lot is that starting a business is a spiritual awakening. I'm curious what your experience was because you mentioned, you know, moving through and dismantling old programming. What was your experience shifting from, you know, working in corporate, going into entrepreneurship part time, and then full time? What were some of the things that you had to work through?

MM: Fear. It was terrifying. Just, you know, with that corporate job, you typically get the health insurance, the 401K, all these benefits. And stepping away from that, those packages, was very scary because I didn't know anything about running my own business or, you know, getting those extra kind of benefits or securities in this new venture.

I have since deprogrammed a lot of that asking myself, what do I really need? You know, what serves me? What doesn't? And so it was really the fear. I mean, the first couple years in my practice, I wasn't making enough to feed myself. So I picked up odd jobs. I worked at retail shops.I even drove for DoorDash for a little bit just to kind of, like, get extra income, and I kept going.

Every time a fear came up, I would sit with it and try to tune into the law of abundance, just, you know, keep affirming to myself, like, trust the universe kind of thing. It always felt right. That inner knowing was so strong. And I know that not everyone has a really strong inner knowing at all times because the ego and the mind can just really hijack that. But I had such a strong conviction that this is what I was supposed to be doing, and it ended up working out.

I mean, it took a couple years just like most businesses take a couple years to get profitable and, you know, stable, and I just kept at it. And now I have conquered so much fear just from leaving the corporate environment, and I counsel my clients how to do the same if they are experiencing what I experienced. That checkout feeling, like, why am I doing this?

And now I'm at the point where I think 40 hours a week is too much. 20 hours a week, why isn't that full time? Like, I have completely changed my entire paradigm when it comes to work and service on this planet.

MG: Oh my goodness. Okay. Say more about this. What is your…

MM: I mean…okay

MG: …working philosophy. Yeah. Tell me more.

MM: Well, even I used to work in patent law, so I'm now at the point where I think the patent offices should be dismantled because the career that I was in was all about competition, profit, and how to make, you know, the people on top even more money.

And now I'm like, wait wait wait. Why can't new inventions, which pat…that's what patents are…why can't it be more collaborative? Why can't we share this information freely? And I know I might trigger some people, like, saying this stuff, but I'm like, wow. Like, these systems that we have, are they serving everyone? [laughs] You know? Like, innovation. The field that I was in is there's a lot of red tape. There's a lot of greed. There's so much there. And now I'm like, wow. I was in a job for 17 years that I no longer vibrate with.

Like, I could not go back working in patent law. So that's one example of how much my worldview has changed.

MG: Oh, I love this. This is so good. Something that as I was leaving Microsoft, I remember…so when I joined Microsoft, it was like after the Balmer days, a new CEO came about Satya Nadella, who is just is, I will still say, like, seemingly an amazing person, really great, powerful leader, potent leader. But our mission, the mission, not ‘our,’ their mission changed to wanting to empower every person on the planet to achieve more. It's like a statement specifically about productivity.

And I remember when I started, I was so proud of that, and I so got behind that. But by the time I left, even just having the thought of why are we…why are we pushing for constant productivity? Why do we want more?

And that when I left, I was like, wholeheartedly, I no longer agree with this mission at all. I don't think we need to make everyone on the planet more productive. I think we need to learn how to just be. Right? I think we need…

MM: There you go!

MG: Like, there's, like, a whole other way. [laughs]

MM: There is another way. That's why I'm talking about in my mind every day. Like, there is another way. I know I I I agree with you. Even that word “more” is a trap. You know? Thinking we need more of this, more time, more clothes, more purses, more cars, bigger, better. That is a trap and keeps us distracted from tuning into our inner voice and, yes, just being.

MG: This is interesting. I'm, I'm kind of almost even seeing this, like, beginning to sense into almost a theme as well of, like so you said that fear was something that, you know, you had to work through. And then just this concept, this idea, the reality of leaving a corporate world with benefits and with a paycheck and with a 401K. But you asking yourself and getting really intimate with the question of what do I really need? I feel like this is so important. We touched on it a few minutes ago, but just beginning to develop consciousness around what is it that we actually need. I think this is the same thing when it comes to productivity because sometimes we just do do do for the sake of doing, but not really for a purpose. Like, we're not actually getting anything out of it. There's no fulfillment. It's just like we're…

MM: Autopilot.

MG: Autopilot. Just like crazy people. It's so funny because, like, you were saying, like, oh, and then I went bonkers, but I'm like, actually, what's bonkers is, like, how autopilot so many of us are living. And I think it's actually…

MM: Yeah, I was bonkers before I went bonkers.

MG: Yes. Yes. Like, we're we're bonkers and then we, like, go bonkers and then we kind of wake up. But I'm curious, you know, I've been thinking a lot about how I believe that work can be one of the most spiritual paths that we walk.

You know, when we're spending 40 hours a week, which I agree with you is way too much, by the way, to be working, I think 20 hours is great. But even less than that, when we can't like, we we've reached a place technologically and through innovation to where we definitely don't need to be doing all of the things that we're doing. It's completely unnecessary.

But and I believe that when we're dedicating and devoting so much of our time and energy to something, like, what an opportunity it is to awaken, to become a little bit more aware, to see ourselves a little bit more deeply.

It's something that I don't think we do in the 9 to 5. I think we, you know, we shut we shut off, We burn out. We start to check out. But I'm curious, like, what are your thoughts around how might we, how might we use what we do for a living to know ourselves more deeply? And then on top of that, what I would ask is, like, where could astrology fit into that? Like, how can that help us?

MM: I love using astrology. Like, when I started studying it and getting to know my own chart, it's like I remembered these things about myself. That was maybe programmed or encouraged to go away in childhood. You know, I put some, you know, talents and gifts on the shelf where they weren't discovered.

And everything I always thought about myself, like, I found in my birth chart as accurate. You know? Because when we're kids, you know, we're told to behave or be punished and conform and do this. And so much of us end up just being a shell of who our true authentic self is. Now I'm on this authenticity train. So astrology helped me really uncover my, more of my authentic nature, and then it helps me do the same for other people.

You know, what I hear from my clients is like, are you reading my mind? How did you know that? How do you know this about me? And I'm like, well, I really don't, but this is what your chart is speaking to me.

And astrology also helped me develop compassion for other people, especially other people that got under my skin, which is rare for me. I'm rarely, like, triggered or bothered by people, but there's, you know, once in a while, someone you work with or someone at the bar that just that gets you. And you're like, once I looked at someone's chart or even understanding what sun sign they were, I was like, oh, okay. I could detach, not take things so personally. And now I think of every client that I work with is a mirror for me, a reciprocal energy exchange, and it's just absolutely magic.

I encourage everyone, like, as much as you can in the corporate world, like, find the magic. Even if it's, like, your work bestie. I love the TikTok and all the social media memes about, like, work environments. Like, even though I'm out of it, like, I think they're just so amazing. Did you meet some of your best friends in a corporate world? I did. Still friends today. You know, like, find the magic.

Even if you're not maybe in a job that you absolutely love, you know, you can start manifesting that immediately if you want to, but find the magic. Even one thing a day you can put on a list, and that will change your life.

MG: Oh my goodness, I love this! “Find the magic.” Find the magic! Oh, this is so fun because I think it takes the pressure off. It feels so much less serious than, like, study yourself, have a morning ritual, like, follow these other rules. Not that I'm against any of those things. I love all of this. Like, I love studying myself. I love rituals, like, all of these things.

But I think there's something really beautiful about just opening ourselves up to the magic that is presenting itself to us all the time, even in the corporate space.

MM: Back in the day, I..corporate world, I was getting probably 400 emails a day, not a exaggeration. I mean, 100s. Right? And then once in a while, you get that one that really triggers you. You're like, right, this email from a coworker, whether it's automated or what.

Now I'd be like, if I was still doing that, I'd look at the time stamp on that email. Is it 11:11? Is it 3:33? Is it 4:45? And then now I'd go and look at the angel number and the message for the minute that email came in that triggered me. So that's just an example of how to find the magic even in the most kind of the uncomfortable moments.

MG: Oh, I love this. Awakening our intuition at work, beginning to tap into, like, synchronicity. Okay. But before we do that, I love what you said about astrology helping us tap into our authentic way of being, helping us remember who it is that we are. And I love the notion of compassion as well. This is, you're not the first person that's told me this, that once they dove in and, like, astrologers specifically have told me this. Like, once they've begun learning about astrology and they started learning about different people, not only did they develop more compassion for themselves, but they started developing so much more compassion and empathy for others. It's almost like, okay, I can detach. This isn't about me.

MM: Mhmm

MG: But these are 2 qualities, authenticity and compassion, that I believe every single leader should embody in the corporate space. I think there's a lot of, like, false authenticity. I think there's a lot of performance around authenticity. I think there's a lot of compassion and performance around compassion.

And so I don't know. Can you just say a little bit more about how your chart or even like as you've come online with your intuition, how that has helped you. Like, what does authenticity really mean since you've been on on an authenticity kick? Like, what does that really mean, and how can astrology help us embody that more and more and more and more?

MM: Yeah. I know. A loaded questions! [both laugh] I agree with you about leadership, authenticity, compassion, but I I would also add integrity to that because we all know people with, like, degrees and alphabet soup behind their names, high education, but they're not people of integrity. And I think people of integrity have that great balance of authenticity and compassion.

I think a lot of us are on this journey now, so authentic self. I'm not sure I'm even there yet because I'm still recognizing old kinda muscle memory and people pleasing things or things I've been taught in childhood to do that really don't feel right. So authenticity for me is following your excitement, setting, you know, healthy boundaries with other people, not just doing or conforming to what other people say because they say it even if it's a boss.

And this is tough in the corporate world because a lot of the time you are told to do tasks or, I don't know, do things that you don't really wanna do. So authenticity in the corporate environment, I think, is much harder than, you know, what I do now. Like, running my own business, I can I can be authentic? No problem. I don't have a boss to please because my bosses are my clients. It's a complete switchover.

So I wanna be as authentic as I can in my passion for my craft, and that's really sometimes all I need. I'll spend a whole astrology session maybe talking a little bit of astrology, but then also just counseling them on how to be more authentic.

MG: Authenticity in corporate is harder. Having a boss to please is a real thing. And I think that the corporate world actually rewards behaviors like codependency and people pleasing, which as I think we begin to, I don't know, go down a healing path or awaken in some ways or dive into more spiritual realms or even just personal development, we learn that codependency and people pleasing are not necessarily the most serving of tools.

And so I think it's a really interesting juxtaposition, you know, as we begin to step into our authentic selves in the corporate space to begin to let go of, you know, those old patterns and those old tendencies and the tendencies that are rewarded in the corporate space. So I really, really love that.

But then on top of that, you said something about, you know, following your your joys and astrology for your clients. And I would say that the more you do that, you know, because because you said that your clients, your bosses now and it's not. I think when we come into business, we learn. And I think this is something we absolutely should learn in corporate as well. But when we come into business, we learn that to give the best service to the world, we have to be in personal integrity.

We have to be authentic to self, and we have to, you know, like, you you're not here necessarily to please your clients. Even though when you offer your service, inevitably, you will please them. Like, there will be something that they get out of it. But, like, you don't exist to make them happy.

And I think the same thing is true in corporate of, like, we don't exist to make our bosses happy or the people on our teams happy, and it's not about whether or not they like us. I think the more we can be authentic and aligned with self, the better we can produce work that needs to be produced, not like superfluous work, but work that actually needs to get done.

MM: Yeah, and I talked to a lot of clients. So, like, even in a corporate job, your boss should be the customers, should be the clients who is buying your service or product. Right? That should be what the corporate world is geared towards. And I didn't have that experience in my corporate job.

So, you know, my quote, unquote clients were inventors of new technology, and they are the ones that got, you know, a nice watch. And the companies they work for got zillions of dollars from their invention. So I was like, wow. My job isn't actually serving the people that brought this innovation to the table. And I have a lot of clients that struggle with bosses because my clients are so focused on client service and customer satisfaction and putting more energy towards that, and they don't agree with the higher ups. So there's a lot of that going on.

But with authenticity in the workplace, I encourage people to speak up even though it's scary or say, like, I'm not comfortable doing that. This isn't serving our clients. Even if you're maybe low on the totem pole, I mean, start practicing this muscle because just like with anything, learning an instrument, learning how to step into your authentic nature is requiring practice. It really is. I mean, we were born kind of like blobs and children. Like, we don't know anything else other than to be authentic, and that eventually is kinda programmed out of us. So practice, practice, practice. You know, doing things that are scary because it feels right. Does that make sense?

MG: Oh, that makes perfect sense. I say the same thing. I love this so much. Authenticity is a practice. I think I think this is a mistake that we make, and I think this is why authenticity can be so performative in the corporate space. But in general, in in in the world, in the natural world, in the wild world as well, because I think we're confused on really what it means to be authentic because we are so out of practice being authentic.

Because we're so out of practice, actually knowing what it is that we want, actually stating what it is that we want, actually being able to share. You know, I remember just a few years ago, realizing that I didn't always know how I felt. And it's like, how can I honor my feelings? How can I honor my body, if I don't actually even know what it's telling me? And so when we don't know what our bodies are telling us and we don't know how it is that we're feeling emotionally, when we don't know what our mental state is, what we tend to do is we make it up.

And so then we think we're being real. We think we're, like, not lying is maybe a strong word, but not lying outwardly to the world or not lying to ourselves. And yet I think we're performing, right? Until we really sit down and practice listening to what's arising within us. And then speaking about that. I realize I'm speaking kind of like a little bit of “woo woo” terminology here, but, like, listening to what is happening and what's real in the moment and honoring that. You know?

MM: Oh, I was super cut off from that for a long time in the corporate world, and I chose alcohol. I mean, that was part of the culture. Like, after work, everybody goes to happy hour.

MG: Mhmm!

MM: Uh I would have my hangover food, like, in downtown Minneapolis, I had this, like, one vendor. I'm, like, get my [indistinguishable] and my coffee. I can rock on a hangover at work. So now I work with alcohol as a symbol in the birth chart. The same symbol for spirituality is the same symbol for spirits and escapism.

MG: Mmmm.

MM: So I was using alcohol as my, quote, unquote, spirituality for years because I was so cut off from my body, so cut off from spirit, and then making that switch, like, I can barely drink anymore. Um, I miss it…[both laugh] But alcohol isn't serving me, and I've opened up the spirituality side of life, and I'm fulfilled there.

So that's another thing I've noticed, like, when you're just going through the motions at work, get through to the weekend, the escapism or the numbing or not wanting to know what's going on with your body because, like, oh, do you really wanna look at that? Because it's not pleasant. It's not easy. Having an awakening is is is rough, so I see why people are hesitant to do it. But it's so important.

I mean, both you and I, I think, can speak to, like, do the work because you've got the rest of your life to work with it. Right? If you just get over these little hurdles, you'll have, you know, so many years of more joy, more ease, more grace, and just more play. Like I said, I think before we're recording, my work is my play, and I have no plans to retire. I can't imagine doing that. So yeah.

MG: Oh, that makes me so happy. Also, this is a fascinating statement: “Alcohol was your spirituality.” Can you say more about this? Because I think so many people, especially in corporate, but even outside of that can resonate with this.

MM: Yeah. Sensitive topic, of course. I mean, if you are listening and you speak a little astrology, the planet Neptune in your birth chart will really show you kind of your potential for, you know, alcoholism and spirituality. Again, there's a positive and negative vibration of everything in the birth chart. And Pisces, the sign, is specifically more prone to addiction. They are, like, the most empathic signs. So Pisces in the corporate world, one of the toughest signs to be in the corporate world, depending on their wiring, would really need that energetic protection or that spiritual pathway to keep them grounded at work because they're prone to getting sucked into everybody else's emotions. So the alcohol thing, I mean, I've been out of the corporate world now. Is that still part of the culture?

MG: Oh 100%

MM: I mean, when I went to conference dinners, I mean, it was just outrageous alcohol.

MG: Yes!

MM: And that was just accepted. And I is that still going on? It must be.

MG: Oh, that's still that's so still part of the culture. Oh my goodness. I, had a team off-site just not too long ago, and it was like it was like on-site all day, happy hour, dinner with drinks, drinks after dinner, hotel nightcap, just like full on, especially so so stereotypical to say, but especially if you're working in, around, or near sales teams.

MM: Mhmm.

MG: It's just like, it's like work hard, play hard, but, like, like, to me, that's not really playing. Right? I mean, it is it's adult playing, but it's also it's escaping in a lot of ways. Right? So it's like work hard. I would say escape hard is the the better way to put that.

MM: Go have a cocktail with your coworker. And now when I do meetings, if you can call them that, or or workshops, like, I can't even imagine alcohol entering the space. Because the dopamine hit of just being connected to another human being, which that connection is tough in the corporate world. So many people are wearing a mask.

And if you speak astrology, the rising sign is your mask and the first sign that you show people. So most corporate environments, I bet people are still in their mask. And if you're only in that rising sign vibration, that's burnout dotcom. Like, that is not your true authentic self. So the first sign we show people is a rising sign.

The second sign we show people is typically the sun sign. That might not be a rising sign. So that's a so much, like, kind of, like, psychology and things to work through in the corporate world, but that mask, you can relate to masking. We all can. We still everybody wears mask everywhere they go. But if you're in it too much, that is, again, detached from your body, not connected, disconnected with other people because it's an inauthentic expression of your true energy.

MG: Okay. I love this. Alright. Let's, like, let's talk let's talk a little bit of astrology.

MM: Kay.

MG: So, for people who are newer to astrology, I remember you taught, so so for those listening, I've talked a little bit about this in past podcast episodes about how I one time hosted an astrology happy hour when I worked at Microsoft. Meredith, who is with us, was our amazing astrologer and facilitator. And one of the things I remember you sharing with everyone immediately was that we have a big three.

And I think this is important because so many of us who don't really know a lot about astrology, especially the folks who think astrology is just, you know, the horoscopes that you read in the Sunday newspaper will focus very much on the sun sign.

Actually, I just was at a dinner the other night, and we were talking about this. And someone was like, oh, this is what my sun sign is. And I was like, oh my gosh. Let's go deeper than this. Right?

MM: Uh huh.

MG: Like, there's so much more here. But I'm curious, like, can you talk more about the big three? How can people find this? And then how might they build a little bit more awareness and connection to this so that they realize maybe, like, we can talk about at work or in life, but, like, how we might be presenting ourselves versus how we might actually be versus yeah. Just tell us more.

MM: Sure. So the first thing I wanna say about astrology is you are every sign. So we're surrounded by all the signs of the zodiac, and you might not have very much of a sign in your chart. And what that means is, like, no planets were in that sign at your birth. But you've got Taurus, you've got Aries, you've got Cancer, you've got every single sign in your birth chart. And I always have joke, like, if you're bitching and moaning about a sign or, like, how does it feel, whatever you say, for me now, I'm like, oh, you're rejecting a part of yourself, and you're projecting it on the nearest Scorpio. So just my theory, take it or leave it.

MG: Love that.

MM: But, yeah, the big 3, this is where you should start.

This alone blew my science brain out of my head when I learned astrology. That's the first thing you will learn is the big three. The sun sign, which pretty much everybody knows. That's what you've been reading in the newspaper. Those still exist now. The moon sign, the moon is just as important as the sun in your birth chart and the rising sign, which I just spoke of. And this is why astrologers hound you for the birth time because the rising sign sets the whole chart in motion, and that changes every hour or 2. So to not have that confirmed birth time is a little tricky with astrology, but try and hunt it down if, especially if you're born in a hospital. The government should know what time you were born.

Again, the rising sign is just kind of like that energy we're pumping out. It's people's first impression of you. So think about kind of how you act at a party when you don't know anyone. Are you super nervous, smiley, chatty? Are you in the corner kind of looking at everybody, trying to find your way in? How do you act when you're at a party or job interview even where you don't know the person? That is the rising sign. Okay?

MG: Mhmm.

MM: The sun sign is symbolic of our conscious identity. It's our life force itself, and I would say I am a Capricorn. It is that sense of I. Okay? And once I googled Capricorn and found out there was actually traits to signs, I was like, oh my god. Yeah. [both laugh]

I am such a Capricorn! And this is the second sign you're gonna show people. Okay? And the very one of the very last signs we show people is the moon sign because we're not always attached to this sign in us either when we talk about, like, the body and the emotional connection. Okay?

The moon is the unconscious identity. What are we soaking up from our environment? What is our intuition and body telling us? I consider the moon now more of our link to higher self energy, souls energy, whatever language you wanna put there, that is not the ego expression. Okay? So we're only gonna show our besties, our romantic partners, maybe our family, our moon sign. That likely will not come out in a corporate environment unless super connected. Like, you feel safe with every single person you work with.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: The moon needs to feel safe to come out of its hiding spot. Okay? So depending on your moon placement, that's gonna show up differently for different people. A person born, you know, with a moon at high noon above us versus the moon below our feet at midnight is a very different kind of moon energy. But just know that is the sign that your coworkers may never see. And that's the sign I encourage people to head towards. Like, what is your moon sign? What is your unconscious identity? I call it the backseat driver in our life.

Does that make sense with the big three or anything else you wanna chime in about the big three?

MG: Yeah. No. I love this. This is so great. And I didn't know this about the moon sign being the sign that we're least likely to show our coworkers. We need a lot of safety around. This is really fascinating. So how might we, you know, in the spirit of authenticity and integrity, how might we move more toward our moon signs in the workplace, and how might that benefit us?

MM: Oh, I don't know if I've had that question before. I would actually get to know your own moon sign and, like, identify the traits that you enjoy about your moon sign. You know, look at the positive and the negative traits of your moon sign, and see how you yourself as an individual can bring more of that energy into your workplace.

Because if your more higher self soul energy is having a good time, that's gonna spread onto your coworkers. That's gonna spread up to your ego. Like, that moon sign can bring a lot of joy, but, again, it's a little nervous to come out just because you need emotional safety for the moon sign to come out. And if you have a boss you don't get along with, a coworkers that's got a knife in your back, trigger emails, again, it's really hard to feel safe in the corporate environment. So even knowing what your moon sign requires to feel safe and how can you bring that kind of stuff, if possible, into your work environment could be helpful.

MG: Mmmm, okay. I love this. Can I ask a personal question? By personal, I mean, personal for me. [both laugh] So my moon is in Capricorn. What does Capricorn need to feel safe and specifically in the workplace? What might that look like?

MM: Control, routine, structure, security, just kinda like and also always having a next step.

MG: Mmmm.

MM: Kind of like, okay. I made it here. Now what's my next challenge? What's my next goal? And this is not actually for everybody, but, Marie, you're more wired like that.

You're like, okay. I hit this goal that I had. Now I'm like, next. I'm gonna get too bored staying here. Does that make sense for you?

MG: That makes perfect sense. Yeah. That tracks. That definitely tracks. [laughs]

Let's talk about intuition at work because I know that you lead a lot of workshops and facilitate a lot of workshops and teach a lot of workshops on bringing your intuition online and, like, intro almost to psychic space. And I think that well, I say I think, but I know from working with many executive coaching clients at this point, so many of us in the corporate space are just grossly disconnected from our intuition. And it's almost like we, you know, we shut it down. We push it down. We're moving from like the neck up.

And I'm curious, like, how might we begin to tap into intuition? And we can, like, we can go as psychic as you want, as you feel comfortable as well, even though I know that this is a word that may be triggering to some people, but probably not if you're listening to this podcast, actually. But I'm curious, like, how might we start to turn our intuition on and listen to it?

MM: So this is tricky, intuition in the workspace, because it's generally not encouraged. You know, logic and spreadsheets and data is what most corporate environments are wired for.

So I will start with maybe some simple examples, 2 that I can think of. Because I used to interview people to hire them. So I had moved up to kinda manager space in my corporate career. And you might have someone come in with, like, a sparkly resume. I mean, 10 out of 10, excel at everything they do, but you meet them, you talk to them, it goes fine, but your gut's like, something's off. But you can't find that something in the resume. Okay? And that is an example of intuition.

But would you not hire someone based on your gut feeling when they have a sparkly resume? That's why this gets tricky because, you know, on paper, they look amazing. Okay? Logic and intuition do not always mix.

Another example of intuition is I used to work for software company for a while, and maybe, you know, you have these launch dates of the new versions or the upgrades, whatever. And, you know, if you're in that profession, maybe you've had, like, a a gut feeling like, oh, we should have launched on Monday. Like, it looks good. All the test runs are going great, but, like, something's telling me don't launch on Monday. And when you ignore your intuition, you usually find out real quick that it was right. Okay?

But you're so scared to speak up. You know? Like, all the bosses, all the board of directors, let's we're launching Monday. Everything looks good. There's something negative. You're like, guys. Maybe we should wait till Wednesday, Thursday, that kind of thing.

So those are 2 kind of, like, bigger deal examples that I can think of, of how intuition might show up in the corporate space. Do I have any advice on how to use it more? I mean, you totally should, but it might be rocky [both laugh] because your boss says you're like, what are you talking about? Don't hire that person? They're perfect. You know? Their resume is, like, amazing.

So this is slowly happening based on my client experience in the corporate environment. Like, more and more people are speaking up about their gut feelings or that kind of thing, but this will not be an overnight transition from logic to intuition and blending the 2 in the corporate world. I think we're getting there, especially with the mass exodus that's happening from the corporate environment. Like, everybody's done. You know? They're so disconnected from their selves and spirit. So I don't know anything to say about those examples or maybe you've had these experiences too.

MG: Yeah. You know, I oh, so many things. I think what beautiful, tangible, material examples, by the way. So thank you so much for these. I think, you know, question would be, how do we start to practice to practice listening to the intuition? Because I think I think there's, you know, there's that feeling of, oh, man, we shouldn't hire this person. But sometimes we don't even let that feeling live for long enough. Like, we kill it immediately and we talk ourselves out of it.

We say, oh my god. No. But their resume is so great and everybody loved them and all of the interviews. So, like, obviously, I'm just gonna hire this.

So it's like oftentimes, I don't even think it's our boss or the pressure that overrides the intuition, but it's ourself. So how do we start to practice? And maybe, like, coming from a science-y perspective, since you come from this background, how do we start to maybe test our intuition out and practice our intuition out and and almost, like, feel it out so that we can begin to trust it?

Because I think once we start to trust it, it's almost like your experience leaving, you know, or or coming into astrology where it's almost like it doesn't even matter anymore what other people think because, like, I know that this is the right thing. But I think going from that place of pushing the intuition down, needing to explain it or because there's no explanation, not being able to trust it or listen to listen to it to the place of, yeah, I feel this in my gut. I know that this is true. I'm I'm following through with it. I don't care what anyone thinks.

MM: So practice. First and foremost, practice the intuition. And most of our intuitive, kind of hits, were not encouraged in childhood. So we've been programmed since childhood to ignore intuition. Like you said, rationalize it away, like, everybody loves this client or this person that we wanna hire, that kind of thing.

This is how I have started to do it. There is a split second or half a millionth of a second before your ego mind, your thinking mind, hijacks that gut feeling and tries to understand it and put labels on it where emotions are sometimes hard to put into words. Like, even when I called off my engagement, I couldn't really explain why to people.

Like, still to this day, I'm like, well, you know, it all makes sense now, but, like, I don't know why. Intuition is not logical, which doesn't mix well with the corporate environment. But it would take maybe an individual or a team to start kind of, like, working together and testing each other's intuition, maybe doing little intuitive exercises at work. Like, what hand am I holding something in, even as simple as that.

And I started testing my intuition just going about my daily life. I go for daily walks, and I live near a lake. So there's a road next to the lake, and I'll hear a car coming behind me. And I started to try and intuit the make of the car, the color of the car, and that's how I started to identify, like, my feeling, my first impression of what that car was gonna look like versus my brain. It's like, it's red. It's green. It's black. It's a truck. It's a van. Like, it just I could feel the hyper thoughts kinda kicking on.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: So those walks to intuit what was coming up behind me helped me identify that 1 millionth of a second before my thought–the mental world–starts to hijack the intuition in my body.

MG: The body is so wise. Okay. Immediately, I have to ask this question because I can already, I can already think of some of my friends, clients, people that I know, listeners who are just like, wait a second. But can I also interpret the make/model of the car before I see the car based on how the car sounds or based on what my body's feeling?

So I'm curious. What are your thoughts on levels of intuition, you know, for anyone and everyone? Like, is this something we can all tap into? How much can we tap into it? How far can we take it?

MM: Everyone is wired differently for that. So I struggle with my intuition a lot because I have heavy Capricorn Virgo in my chart, which is the earth signs. Earth signs are known to be practical, pragmatic, wanting that data, that proof, that kind of thing.

The water signs. So Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces are generally the most intuitive signs of the zodiac. So much easier time to step into an intuitive space if you're a water sign or if you have a lot of water in your birth chart.

The air signs, Gemini, Libra, Aquarius, they are associated more with the mental world. So those signs also might kind of, like, struggle with, okay, what is my body telling me versus what is my mind telling me?

And the fire signs, Aries, Leo, Sagittarius, are generally the more instinctual, which I think is also kind of a side quest to intuition, those instincts.

You know, when there's a fire in front of you at work, all of a sudden, like, you put it out, and you don't even know how you did it. Just like, like, boom. Or some kind of crisis in front of you, like, jump in and save a child, throw a bus off a child, kinda thing. That's like that instinct.

So, again, everybody has access to intuition. Your birth chart is the map to it.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: And one of my intuitive boosters is hanging out with intuitive people makes me more intuitive. And I started out wanting to be, like, a science-y textbook astrologer, but later I found out I attract psychic people. I don't consider myself psychic, but I attract psychic people, yourself included. Right? And that just opened up a whole new world for me. And as I started to attract these psychic people, I became more psychic myself.

So your map to your intuitive gifts is written out in your birth chart for you, and it would be to each their own kind of thing.

MG: Oh, I have chills. How do we find this and/or should should we advise people to book a session with you?

MM: It's just that I'm I love I am fully booked at the moment and eternally grateful for that. I have the best worst problem a business owner can have. So my books are closed at the moment, but my wait list is available online if you wanna go to earthlingastrology.com.

Otherwise, seek out your friendly neighborhood astrologer. There is more and more coming online. And if you don't want, if you're nervous about going to see an actual professional astrologer, there's so many apps on the phone now that can…they have text with them. You can just click a button, kinda read about where your moon sign is, your Mars sign is. I really like Time Passages. I know I have clients that use the Pattern and what is it? CoStar?

MG: Mhmm.

MM: I think there's Astromatrix. Like, every week, there seems to be a new astrology app. So shop around on your phone, see if you find an app that you resonate with to download your chart, you know, call mom, grandma, whoever you need to do to find that birth time, and then start to dive in.

And if it feels right, yeah, book with someone and ask them specific questions. In your birth chart, you will find the career that is best suited for you, the partner that is best suited for you, what do you need for a healthy partnership, what's your role in your family. That's a big one too that I get. I, there's so much you can do. You can even look at past lives in the bar chart if you wanna get super woo woo.

MG: Oh, I love this. Oh, this is so good. What about for corporate teams? So I think both of us are probably on this, obviously, on the sign of on the side of, like, astrology is amazing for corporate, but how might, you know, teams begin to open themselves up more culturally, for more intuitive experiences and more intuitive, I would say, rewarding, more intuitive practice at work?

And then also like, do you think it's worthwhile for a team to sit down and have an astrology reading or to look into each other's charts and to understand how people tick? You know, what are your thoughts around that?

MM: I think it could be helpful. Again, I'm removed from this. I've never played with astrology that deep in the corporate world. But even if you just wanted to work with the sun sign on a team and, you know, put everybody with the earth signs over here, the fire signs here, the air signs here, the water signs here, and just see if there's a match between how the fire people would handle a problem versus the earth people versus the water people.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: And then ask each other questions kinda like, how does it feel when you get an email from me 5 minutes before you're supposed to log off that day? You know, those kind of questions. I think that could be very helpful for teams, and it would be best, I think, if 1 person or 2 were very well versed in astrology. Like hiring an astrologer just to kinda, like, walk everybody through it.

And I also recommend looking and working with business birth charts. So not only people have birth charts, like my business, Earthling Astrology has a birth chart. I look at that quite often. Like, how does my energy interact with my business birth chart? I can see things coming in my business based on my business birth chart.

So, if you work for Microsoft or some other company, do your best to figure out when that company was born, and then see how your energy interacts with the business births chart. Which is advanced astrology. So you might wanna hire someone for that, but that's another thing we can do with astrology.

MG: This is incredible. I love this. I'm so glad you brought this up. We know when a business was born by the time it was incorporated. Is that how that works?

MM: Yeah. That's tricky. I based my business birthday on, like, the day I filed the LLC papers.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: So I have clients that consider the birth the idea.

MG: Mhmm.

MM: So it could be, there's really no rules with astrology, which that's why the logical world doesn't like it, but I'm like, you get to make your own. Was your business born in your head, or do you consider the business birth when you file the papers? And to each their own, there's no right answer for that. It's whatever feels right to you.

MG: I love that. Oh my goodness. This has been so amazing. Let me see. Do I have any other questions? I'm sure there's so many other questions. Okay. If, last question, so if there was something that you'd like everyone to know or understand about astrology, what would it be?

MM: Oh my gosh. I think I saw this question that you sent me, and I was a blank then, and I'm kind of a blank now. That answer has changed so much for me, because when I first started learning it, I was like, everybody needs to learn this. That is so important. We need to teach this in schools.

And I guess now I would say, just like anything, astrology is not for everyone, and that is okay. I do consider it to be a scientific craft. Just me coming from a science background, loving science, I do take the scientific method to my practice, so, like, data observation, all that kind of stuff. There is a science to it, but it's not 100% science. There's so much, you know, storytelling, mythology, intuition involved as well.

So, I guess what I would tell people is if you are skeptical or astrology doesn't resonate with you, totally okay. Like, maybe human design is your thing or, you know, the Myers Briggs. Like, whatever thing you find that helps you get to know yourself better, great. So I guess just to answer your question, it's not for everybody and that's okay. But if it is for you, you'll feel it. You'll get those goosebumps. You'll feel it in your bones. You'll be like, something is here. I'm curious. But again, that might not be for everybody. You might kind of like, nope. Astrology is not my thing. I'm gonna move on to the next.

MG: Yeah. Oh, I love it. I love it. This is amazing. Thank you so much, Meredith.

MM: Of course.

MG: This means the world to me. It's so good to see you, to have you, to talk about some of these things. I already have, like, 5 hours of more, like, questions that I could ask you, but I so appreciate you. Thank you.

MM: Thank you for having me. So good to see you, Marie. Mhmm.

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After a decade spent cultivating a career as a patent lawyer, Meredith McCowan left the corporate world to become an astrologer.

In this Woo Woo at Work episode, Meredith shares her journey of spiritual awakening and starting a business. Then she invites us to step into our integrity by getting to know our natal chart and our Big Three.

This conversation is offered as support and inspiration for anyone shifting toward a spiritual path in work or life. If you enjoy it, learn more about Meredith on the Earthling Astrology website.

Chapters:

3:30 Meredith’s path from patent law to astrology

16:10 Facing fears about self-employment

22:00 How astrology supports us in cultivating self-knowledge & compassion

31:00 Escapism & alcohol in the workplace

36:30 Getting to know your Big Three

43:05 How to tap into intuition at work

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